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Hello everyone. Over the last several months I have been made aware of a PR firm called Crowd PR who states that they worked with a campaign which raised $3.8 million dollars on kickstarter. It’s quite a lofty claim, but if true I must know for certain.

The email I received from this agency is posted here

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Hello,

Your product is a great fit for our Gear PR Program. Check it out here:
https://crowd.pr/gear

We did PR for a $2.1M campaign. They posted our badge on the bottom of their kickstarter page:
https://crowd.pr/kuroi-hana

What websites do you want to get featured by the most?

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I reached out to the owner of this campaign, but there was no response. Likely because only their support address is listed. I did see that their logo is on this campaign’s page, but I want something more as I am not convinced. I also see there is a thread about them on here: has-anyone-hired-crowd-pr-t11437.html

Are they asking you for money upfront? If so, then it does not matter what their track record is. There is no guarantee they will do anything if you pay them anything upfront. We as founders must require guarantees of success, notarized if possible, in order to work with a marketing promotion service.

No one has ever achieved success by taking risks. If success is not guaranteed then move along to someone who does guarantee success, you’ll be thankful you did once your campaign is a raging hit, and you’ll be glad that you passed on these terrible firms who require money upfront.

I have an agency I use who requires nothing upfront, and sends me a guarantee of full funding each time I work with them. I require pictures of their ID, Social Security Card, and Birth Certificate each time so that there is recourse for them if my campaigns are not funded.

Never take chances, you can’t leave your fate up to chance. Find someone who will guarantee what you want and stick to them. So many things can go wrong during a campaign that without a guarantee you have nothing at all.

FighttheFight wrote:Hello everyone. Over the last several months I have been made aware of a PR firm called Crowd PR who states that they worked with a campaign which raised $3.8 million dollars on kickstarter. It’s quite a lofty claim, but if true I must know for certain.

The email I received from this agency is posted here

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Hello,

Your product is a great fit for our Gear PR Program. Check it out here:
https://crowd.pr/gear

We did PR for a $2.1M campaign. They posted our badge on the bottom of their kickstarter page:
https://crowd.pr/kuroi-hana

What websites do you want to get featured by the most?

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I reached out to the owner of this campaign, but there was no response. Likely because only their support address is listed. I did see that their logo is on this campaign’s page, but I want something more as I am not convinced.

This is kind of a common problem with online marketing in general. The only legit ways to know if a company worked with a campaign or not is a reference check or the badges / links on a kickstarter campaign.

I know we all like online reviews like yelp, but if you are really determined to get to the truth about something then you must be made aware that anyone at anytime can post a review. Doesn’t mean it is true, not by a long shot.

In the end though, it does all come down to taking calculated risks. Despite what the person above me says. I don’t think most of the people on here have any real business experience based on what I have read in this forum. Risk and Reward are closely tied together. The lower the risk of something, the lower the possible rewards are.

For example, if you want someone to guarantee you will raise your funds you are seriously just asking to be ripped off. Anyone can guarantee the moon just to get you to send over your money. And once you do send that money you will never see it again. That I can guarantee haha.

I think people who ask for money back guarantees watch too much television. On the infomercials you always see those guarantees, but when it comes to hiring small online services providers it’s a totally different ball game. There is nothing stopping someone from guaranteeing whatever you want, getting the money, and then disappearing. I think that is really basic logic that even a 3rd grader could grasp, so I am hoping to got that some of you online here who talk about guarantees are not native english speakers and don’t quite understand the meaning of the word guarantee.

Nouveau wrote:Are they asking you for money upfront? If so, then it does not matter what their track record is. There is no guarantee they will do anything if you pay them anything upfront. We as founders must require guarantees of success, notarized if possible, in order to work with a marketing promotion service.

No one has ever achieved success by taking risks. If success is not guaranteed then move along to someone who does guarantee success, you’ll be thankful you did once your campaign is a raging hit, and you’ll be glad that you passed on these terrible firms who require money upfront.

I have an agency I use who requires nothing upfront, and sends me a guarantee of full funding each time I work with them. I require pictures of their ID, Social Security Card, and Birth Certificate each time so that there is recourse for them if my campaigns are not funded.

Never take chances, you can’t leave your fate up to chance. Find someone who will guarantee what you want and stick to them. So many things can go wrong during a campaign that without a guarantee you have nothing at all.

FighttheFight wrote:Hello everyone. Over the last several months I have been made aware of a PR firm called Crowd PR who states that they worked with a campaign which raised $3.8 million dollars on kickstarter. It’s quite a lofty claim, but if true I must know for certain.

The email I received from this agency is posted here

---

Hello,

Your product is a great fit for our Gear PR Program. Check it out here:
https://crowd.pr/gear

We did PR for a $2.1M campaign. They posted our badge on the bottom of their kickstarter page:
https://crowd.pr/kuroi-hana

What websites do you want to get featured by the most?

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I reached out to the owner of this campaign, but there was no response. Likely because only their support address is listed. I did see that their logo is on this campaign’s page, but I want something more as I am not convinced.

That’s a load of garbage, businesses deserve support from the population they deserve it more than any other segment of the population actually. We are entitled to the support of consumers and service providers alike.

Without products being launched, sold and purchased, the american economy as we know it would cease to exist. Banks would fail, and society as we know it would crumble.

Founders are wealth generators, it is up to us to generate new wealth and allow that wealth to trickle down as we see fit. This was proven with Reaganomics and it is the foundation of capitalism even.

Without us, the US is nothing. It is therefore the duty of american consumers to support us on our endeavors and that applies just as much to service providers those companies who promote crowdfunding campaigns. Everyone needs to play their part in this system for things to run smoothly, and I see nothing wrong with demanding marketing agencies to support us. Consumers are willing to support us, and Agencies better learn to fall in line and do the same.

Fritz Franz wrote:This is kind of a common problem with online marketing in general. The only legit ways to know if a company worked with a campaign or not is a reference check or the badges / links on a kickstarter campaign.

I know we all like online reviews like yelp, but if you are really determined to get to the truth about something then you must be made aware that anyone at anytime can post a review. Doesn’t mean it is true, not by a long shot.

In the end though, it does all come down to taking calculated risks. Despite what the person above me says. I don’t think most of the people on here have any real business experience based on what I have read in this forum. Risk and Reward are closely tied together. The lower the risk of something, the lower the possible rewards are.

For example, if you want someone to guarantee you will raise your funds you are seriously just asking to be ripped off. Anyone can guarantee the moon just to get you to send over your money. And once you do send that money you will never see it again. That I can guarantee haha.

I think people who ask for money back guarantees watch too much television. On the infomercials you always see those guarantees, but when it comes to hiring small online services providers it’s a totally different ball game. There is nothing stopping someone from guaranteeing whatever you want, getting the money, and then disappearing. I think that is really basic logic that even a 3rd grader could grasp, so I am hoping to got that some of you online here who talk about guarantees are not native english speakers and don’t quite understand the meaning of the word guarantee.

Nouveau wrote:Are they asking you for money upfront? If so, then it does not matter what their track record is. There is no guarantee they will do anything if you pay them anything upfront. We as founders must require guarantees of success, notarized if possible, in order to work with a marketing promotion service.

No one has ever achieved success by taking risks. If success is not guaranteed then move along to someone who does guarantee success, you’ll be thankful you did once your campaign is a raging hit, and you’ll be glad that you passed on these terrible firms who require money upfront.

I have an agency I use who requires nothing upfront, and sends me a guarantee of full funding each time I work with them. I require pictures of their ID, Social Security Card, and Birth Certificate each time so that there is recourse for them if my campaigns are not funded.

Never take chances, you can’t leave your fate up to chance. Find someone who will guarantee what you want and stick to them. So many things can go wrong during a campaign that without a guarantee you have nothing at all.

FighttheFight wrote:Hello everyone. Over the last several months I have been made aware of a PR firm called Crowd PR who states that they worked with a campaign which raised $3.8 million dollars on kickstarter. It’s quite a lofty claim, but if true I must know for certain.

The email I received from this agency is posted here

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Hello,

Your product is a great fit for our Gear PR Program. Check it out here:
https://crowd.pr/gear

We did PR for a $2.1M campaign. They posted our badge on the bottom of their kickstarter page:
https://crowd.pr/kuroi-hana

What websites do you want to get featured by the most?

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I reached out to the owner of this campaign, but there was no response. Likely because only their support address is listed. I did see that their logo is on this campaign’s page, but I want something more as I am not convinced.

Is that a serious post or are you making some kind of joke?

Nouveau wrote:Are they asking you for money upfront? If so, then it does not matter what their track record is. There is no guarantee they will do anything if you pay them anything upfront. We as founders must require guarantees of success, notarized if possible, in order to work with a marketing promotion service.

No one has ever achieved success by taking risks. If success is not guaranteed then move along to someone who does guarantee success, you’ll be thankful you did once your campaign is a raging hit, and you’ll be glad that you passed on these terrible firms who require money upfront.

I have an agency I use who requires nothing upfront, and sends me a guarantee of full funding each time I work with them. I require pictures of their ID, Social Security Card, and Birth Certificate each time so that there is recourse for them if my campaigns are not funded.

Never take chances, you can’t leave your fate up to chance. Find someone who will guarantee what you want and stick to them. So many things can go wrong during a campaign that without a guarantee you have nothing at all.

FighttheFight wrote:Hello everyone. Over the last several months I have been made aware of a PR firm called Crowd PR who states that they worked with a campaign which raised $3.8 million dollars on kickstarter. It’s quite a lofty claim, but if true I must know for certain.

The email I received from this agency is posted here

---

Hello,

Your product is a great fit for our Gear PR Program. Check it out here:
https://crowd.pr/gear

We did PR for a $2.1M campaign. They posted our badge on the bottom of their kickstarter page:
https://crowd.pr/kuroi-hana

What websites do you want to get featured by the most?

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I reached out to the owner of this campaign, but there was no response. Likely because only their support address is listed. I did see that their logo is on this campaign’s page, but I want something more as I am not convinced.

This is what’s wrong with america today

It’s too big of a claim to be taken seriously. A campaign that big comes around once maybe twice every five years. They are a new company by the looks of it, and I doubt that this was one of their first campaigns. No big campaign would hire a new agency for work that’s just common sense. It just doesn’t add up to me and I will throw my hat into the pass bucket on these guys.

Fritz Franz wrote:This is kind of a common problem with online marketing in general. The only legit ways to know if a company worked with a campaign or not is a reference check or the badges / links on a kickstarter campaign.

I know we all like online reviews like yelp, but if you are really determined to get to the truth about something then you must be made aware that anyone at anytime can post a review. Doesn’t mean it is true, not by a long shot.

In the end though, it does all come down to taking calculated risks. Despite what the person above me says. I don’t think most of the people on here have any real business experience based on what I have read in this forum. Risk and Reward are closely tied together. The lower the risk of something, the lower the possible rewards are.

For example, if you want someone to guarantee you will raise your funds you are seriously just asking to be ripped off. Anyone can guarantee the moon just to get you to send over your money. And once you do send that money you will never see it again. That I can guarantee haha.

I think people who ask for money back guarantees watch too much television. On the infomercials you always see those guarantees, but when it comes to hiring small online services providers it’s a totally different ball game. There is nothing stopping someone from guaranteeing whatever you want, getting the money, and then disappearing. I think that is really basic logic that even a 3rd grader could grasp, so I am hoping to got that some of you online here who talk about guarantees are not native english speakers and don’t quite understand the meaning of the word guarantee.

Nouveau wrote:Are they asking you for money upfront? If so, then it does not matter what their track record is. There is no guarantee they will do anything if you pay them anything upfront. We as founders must require guarantees of success, notarized if possible, in order to work with a marketing promotion service.

No one has ever achieved success by taking risks. If success is not guaranteed then move along to someone who does guarantee success, you’ll be thankful you did once your campaign is a raging hit, and you’ll be glad that you passed on these terrible firms who require money upfront.

I have an agency I use who requires nothing upfront, and sends me a guarantee of full funding each time I work with them. I require pictures of their ID, Social Security Card, and Birth Certificate each time so that there is recourse for them if my campaigns are not funded.

Never take chances, you can’t leave your fate up to chance. Find someone who will guarantee what you want and stick to them. So many things can go wrong during a campaign that without a guarantee you have nothing at all.

FighttheFight wrote:Hello everyone. Over the last several months I have been made aware of a PR firm called Crowd PR who states that they worked with a campaign which raised $3.8 million dollars on kickstarter. It’s quite a lofty claim, but if true I must know for certain.

The email I received from this agency is posted here

---

Hello,

Your product is a great fit for our Gear PR Program. Check it out here:
https://crowd.pr/gear

We did PR for a $2.1M campaign. They posted our badge on the bottom of their kickstarter page:
https://crowd.pr/kuroi-hana

What websites do you want to get featured by the most?

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I reached out to the owner of this campaign, but there was no response. Likely because only their support address is listed. I did see that their logo is on this campaign’s page, but I want something more as I am not convinced.

Heads up but they are also taking credit for a $2.1 mil fundraise as well:
https://crowd.pr/kuroi-hana/

No way to verify that from what I can tell. Here’s the campaign just in case anyone knows anything:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/10 ... e-of-belgr

Two big campaigns right out the gate is far too suspect for me. It takes years and years of building an agency to get to that point, and even then it’s still not promised that they even get to work on any big campaigns. Someone somewhere here posted that they were founded in 2017, and this was confirmed on their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/crowdpragency

It’s too much too soon, and they only have 600 facebook likes. Engagement seems low and I expect much greater engagement for an agency. If they really are running facebook ads as they claim to be a top ad agency one would expect a much more active social media presence.

Nouveau wrote:Are they asking you for money upfront? If so, then it does not matter what their track record is. There is no guarantee they will do anything if you pay them anything upfront. We as founders must require guarantees of success, notarized if possible, in order to work with a marketing promotion service.

No one has ever achieved success by taking risks. If success is not guaranteed then move along to someone who does guarantee success, you’ll be thankful you did once your campaign is a raging hit, and you’ll be glad that you passed on these terrible firms who require money upfront.

I have an agency I use who requires nothing upfront, and sends me a guarantee of full funding each time I work with them. I require pictures of their ID, Social Security Card, and Birth Certificate each time so that there is recourse for them if my campaigns are not funded.

Never take chances, you can’t leave your fate up to chance. Find someone who will guarantee what you want and stick to them. So many things can go wrong during a campaign that without a guarantee you have nothing at all.

FighttheFight wrote:Hello everyone. Over the last several months I have been made aware of a PR firm called Crowd PR who states that they worked with a campaign which raised $3.8 million dollars on kickstarter. It’s quite a lofty claim, but if true I must know for certain.

The email I received from this agency is posted here

---

Hello,

Your product is a great fit for our Gear PR Program. Check it out here:
https://crowd.pr/gear

We did PR for a $2.1M campaign. They posted our badge on the bottom of their kickstarter page:
https://crowd.pr/kuroi-hana

What websites do you want to get featured by the most?

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I reached out to the owner of this campaign, but there was no response. Likely because only their support address is listed. I did see that their logo is on this campaign’s page, but I want something more as I am not convinced.

It’s ridiculous a company could raise such a high amount. I’ve done everything right, built a great product, built a community, and spread the word in the community but not a single backer.

The rich get richer. I bet these campaigns have spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on their campaigns on advertisement. People just buy whatever is sold to them on facebook I guess, they just refuse to do any work by going to kickstarter themselves and sorting through projects to back. That needs to change and it needs to change right now.

I got a few backers from my google ads, but the conversion rate was so low that my budget was burned out on the very first day. Reddit ads are worthless basically too. It’s tempting because they are cheap but they lead to nothing.

Which leaves us with just traditional advertising methods and we all know that those require gargantuan budgets. I guess you just have to be rich in order to make money on kickstarter?

Ray.Trentson wrote:Heads up but they are also taking credit for a $2.1 mil fundraise as well:
https://crowd.pr/kuroi-hana/

No way to verify that from what I can tell. Here’s the campaign just in case anyone knows anything:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/10 ... e-of-belgr

Two big campaigns right out the gate is far too suspect for me. It takes years and years of building an agency to get to that point, and even then it’s still not promised that they even get to work on any big campaigns. Someone somewhere here posted that they were founded in 2017, and this was confirmed on their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/crowdpragency

It’s too much too soon, and they only have 600 facebook likes. Engagement seems low and I expect much greater engagement for an agency. If they really are running facebook ads as they claim to be a top ad agency one would expect a much more active social media presence.

Nouveau wrote:Are they asking you for money upfront? If so, then it does not matter what their track record is. There is no guarantee they will do anything if you pay them anything upfront. We as founders must require guarantees of success, notarized if possible, in order to work with a marketing promotion service.

No one has ever achieved success by taking risks. If success is not guaranteed then move along to someone who does guarantee success, you’ll be thankful you did once your campaign is a raging hit, and you’ll be glad that you passed on these terrible firms who require money upfront.

I have an agency I use who requires nothing upfront, and sends me a guarantee of full funding each time I work with them. I require pictures of their ID, Social Security Card, and Birth Certificate each time so that there is recourse for them if my campaigns are not funded.

Never take chances, you can’t leave your fate up to chance. Find someone who will guarantee what you want and stick to them. So many things can go wrong during a campaign that without a guarantee you have nothing at all.

FighttheFight wrote:Hello everyone. Over the last several months I have been made aware of a PR firm called Crowd PR who states that they worked with a campaign which raised $3.8 million dollars on kickstarter. It’s quite a lofty claim, but if true I must know for certain.

The email I received from this agency is posted here

---

Hello,

Your product is a great fit for our Gear PR Program. Check it out here:
https://crowd.pr/gear

We did PR for a $2.1M campaign. They posted our badge on the bottom of their kickstarter page:
https://crowd.pr/kuroi-hana

What websites do you want to get featured by the most?

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I reached out to the owner of this campaign, but there was no response. Likely because only their support address is listed. I did see that their logo is on this campaign’s page, but I want something more as I am not convinced.

If I don't’ see yelp reviews then I never hire.

BEWARE!!!

Fritz Franz wrote:This is kind of a common problem with online marketing in general. The only legit ways to know if a company worked with a campaign or not is a reference check or the badges / links on a kickstarter campaign.

I know we all like online reviews like yelp, but if you are really determined to get to the truth about something then you must be made aware that anyone at anytime can post a review. Doesn’t mean it is true, not by a long shot.

In the end though, it does all come down to taking calculated risks. Despite what the person above me says. I don’t think most of the people on here have any real business experience based on what I have read in this forum. Risk and Reward are closely tied together. The lower the risk of something, the lower the possible rewards are.

For example, if you want someone to guarantee you will raise your funds you are seriously just asking to be ripped off. Anyone can guarantee the moon just to get you to send over your money. And once you do send that money you will never see it again. That I can guarantee haha.

I think people who ask for money back guarantees watch too much television. On the infomercials you always see those guarantees, but when it comes to hiring small online services providers it’s a totally different ball game. There is nothing stopping someone from guaranteeing whatever you want, getting the money, and then disappearing. I think that is really basic logic that even a 3rd grader could grasp, so I am hoping to got that some of you online here who talk about guarantees are not native english speakers and don’t quite understand the meaning of the word guarantee.

Nouveau wrote:Are they asking you for money upfront? If so, then it does not matter what their track record is. There is no guarantee they will do anything if you pay them anything upfront. We as founders must require guarantees of success, notarized if possible, in order to work with a marketing promotion service.

No one has ever achieved success by taking risks. If success is not guaranteed then move along to someone who does guarantee success, you’ll be thankful you did once your campaign is a raging hit, and you’ll be glad that you passed on these terrible firms who require money upfront.

I have an agency I use who requires nothing upfront, and sends me a guarantee of full funding each time I work with them. I require pictures of their ID, Social Security Card, and Birth Certificate each time so that there is recourse for them if my campaigns are not funded.

Never take chances, you can’t leave your fate up to chance. Find someone who will guarantee what you want and stick to them. So many things can go wrong during a campaign that without a guarantee you have nothing at all.

FighttheFight wrote:Hello everyone. Over the last several months I have been made aware of a PR firm called Crowd PR who states that they worked with a campaign which raised $3.8 million dollars on kickstarter. It’s quite a lofty claim, but if true I must know for certain.

The email I received from this agency is posted here

---

Hello,

Your product is a great fit for our Gear PR Program. Check it out here:
https://crowd.pr/gear

We did PR for a $2.1M campaign. They posted our badge on the bottom of their kickstarter page:
https://crowd.pr/kuroi-hana

What websites do you want to get featured by the most?

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I reached out to the owner of this campaign, but there was no response. Likely because only their support address is listed. I did see that their logo is on this campaign’s page, but I want something more as I am not convinced.